Saturday, August 4, 2012

Wikipedia World - 3 weeks later

There has been a lot of interest in the Wikipedia World Project.  Most are obviously not involved in the group but still rooting for it to be a big success.

We are now about 3 weeks out from TAM 2012 when I announced this project.  And I think an update would be welcome about now.

We now have 13 language groups formed; English, German, Norsk, French, Turkish, Dutch, Korean, Russian, Portuguese, Espanol, Danish, Farsi and Swedish.

The IIG Randi Beard photo has gone worldwide with it included on these pages...

English
German
Turkish
French
Spanish
Russian
Dutch
Portuguese
Norsk

Our next project is to produce a Jerry Andrus page in each language.  After that page is done we will be able to branch off onto more pages.

The English page re-write is almost done and just waiting for me to spend a week in Eugene, OR gathering more interviews and photos.

The Portuguese and Dutch pages for Andrus are about a forth of the way complete. 

We have identified 7 videos that show Jerry performing or just show his illusions.  These 7 videos have very few words and no need for captioning, they are ready to go.

We have 5 videos that discuss Andrus and need to be captioned first in English and then in all the other languages.  We have 3 of these done in English, and 1 in Portuguese and 1 in Dutch.

I'm really enjoying doing the English captioning, at first it was confusing to me and took a long time.  Now I've got the hang of it and its like a video game of sorts, but with an actual purpose.  I've done several others in my video library but only the 3 for this project,  I will focus on improving that number this weekend.

We have have several Andrus videos that are already in a language other than English.  Those are ready to go onto pages as is.

Several of the language groups have done a cursory look at what lies ahead for us.  From what we can discover we have our hands full.  Nix Dorf provided us with a good overview of the Portuguese and Spanish Wikipedia pages on this blog.

We are making to-do lists in many of the language groups, and of course the individual editors are free to work on whatever projects/pages they want.  Several have already expressed the desire to work on homeopathy in their native language.  Niels is very interested in creating this page in his language, MusiCure.  Apparently it is big news in Denmark.

My goal is to also really focus on creating pages (or improving pages) for people and groups that are specific to that language.  We get so focused on English speakers being the big-wigs in the skeptical movement that we forget there are skeptical spokepeople all over.  Each language group will need to identify who/what these are and make a plan.

We have had many glitches, most of Wikipedia World team are brand new editors, we are stumbling through this together as so far the editing screen is exactly the same in English and all languages.   Kind of like using an ATM with a different language on the screen, you just hopefully push the right buttons.

On Portuguese Wikipedia apparently you can't use YouTube videos as a citation unless you get the URL on the "whitelist" first.  That was interesting, but we managed to work through that.

I usually make a user page for myself on the different WP language pages.  On one I instantly received a "welcome to Wikipedia" kind of notice, and then seconds later a notice for speedy deletion of my user page.  It is still there but that was a bit unnerving.  Rian also got the same notice when she created a page on the Dutch WP.  We never figured that out.  Its been interesting, but we are starting to get the hang of this. 

As usual we really do need your help.  We need 20 times the amount of editors we have now.  Its an exciting time to be doing this, and an exciting project.  Even if you don't have a second language, we can help you find your way to helping out with this project.

Please write to me at susangerbic@yahoo.com



Thursday, August 2, 2012

Creationists frustrated and give up editing Wikipedia

Thought I would share these Wikipedia links with you all.  (I probably discovered them from one of Tim Farley's links).

The first one Wicked Glitch writes that creationists are throwing in the towel (according to Evolution News and Views) as far as Wikipedia goes.  They just can't get their edits to stay on the page they are editing.  Wonder why?

Love how they envision us editors... 

Evolution News and Views, (an intelligent design blog) recently did a post whining about how ID proponents can’t force Wikipedia to represent them in a favorable light because a few “unemployed” evolutionists with too much time on their hands vigilantly monitor Wikipedia and immediately remove/modify any pro-ID edits. The post mentions a “highly technical” study...

Must make sure to get this good news to Dr. Eugenie Scott.  Now I guess she can relax!  Just kidding folks.  As was just recently reported by our very own Tim Farley, we can't just relax just because we are in the right.  Science and critical thinking needs us and letting down our guard is not a good thing.
 
The second URL is to a study someone did on  the Dynamics of Conflicts in Wikipedia.  Very interesting reading.


 I'm always on the lookout for good Wikipedia related articles, so pass them on if you find them.

BTW - I have turned off the ability for anonymous people to leave comments on this blog.  I was forever getting spammed and it was annoying.  The last person to leave an anonymous comment was James Randi, on this blog.  I don't think it will get better than that.





As always you can comment here, or send me an email susangerbic@yahoo.com






Wednesday, August 1, 2012

Homeopathy and CBC News are WP readers accessing our edits?

Approached at Whole Foods on Sunday by a very personable woman handing out homeopathic samples for leg pain, my friend Deborah Warcken asked the woman if she knew how homeopathy worked?  When the woman answered in the negative, Deborah handed the woman this card.  I received these from Jay Diamond at SkeptiCal and had just given one to Deborah 30 minutes earlier, at a skeptics meetup.



The link takes you to a page with videos a plenty.  One I hadn't seen before was from CBC News out of Canada.  What a great job reporter Erica Johnson did in this investigation.  She seemed really concerned that the mother wasn't vaccinating her child, or should I say not vaccinating with real medicine.  Also Johnson seemed almost as sickened as I was to listen to a homeopath tell her that she could cure Stage I breast cancer in 15 days just by boosting the immune system.  In the case of Johnson "high five" for great reporting!

Anyway these are two great videos (part one and two) mentioned is CFI Vancouver which also has a mass overdose in front of an emergency room, there are some great lines like "even snake oil has real ingredients in it".

So I had already made a few edits to the homeopathy page. I can't remember but I think I've added a lot of the activism citations, in the last paragraph (hopefully it is still there when your reading this) is my newest addition using the CBC videos.  

This blog tackles many elements of editing Wikipedia for skeptical content.  Not just where to edit, and how to edit, but I think its real important to try and see if we are seeing results from the work we are doing.  We can see if hits increase, but can't tell if minds are changed.  So as this is the very last days of June, I'm going to not release this blog for a month  and see if there is a significant increase in the hit count for Erica Johnson and CBC News's Wikipedia pages.  I'm also going to look at the hit counts for the two videos I linked to on YouTube.

Sorry I can't release this blog as it is written (June 26, 2012), because I know you all will travel over there and look at those pages and throw off the numbers.  The edits I made on the homeopathy page are waaaaaay down at the bottom of the page, no idea if people are getting that far in their reading.  I suppose I will know in a month. 

NOTE: This is an unscientific study, there are few controls. 
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 June 26, 2012 

 CBC Marketplace - Homeopathy: Cure or Con? Part 2 of 2 is at 14,479 views

 CBC Marketplace - Homeopathy: Cure or Con? Part 1 of 2 at 25,989 views


Erica Johnson Wikipedia stats trends about 17 hits a day

CBC News Wikipedia stats  trends about 121 hits a day
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The edits still remain on the near bottom of Homeopathy's page.


August 1, 2012

 CBC Marketplace - Homeopathy: Cure or Con? Part 1 of 2 at 26,403

 CBC Marketplace - Homeopathy: Cure or Con? Part 2 of 2 at 14,637

 Erica Johnson Wikipedia stats for July 2012 - about 14 hits a day

CBC News Wikipedia stats for July 2012 - about 109 hits a day.

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So it looks like there was no major hit increase in the two target hyperlinked pages, in fact their numbers dropped.  And the YouTube videos did increase somewhat, but no idea if that was because of the Wikipedia citation or for other reasons.  Another thing I might mention, the two videos are just part one and two of the longer CBC News program.  I was completely engaged by the reporting, and wondering why such a drop-off in hits from Part 1 to Part 2?  It seems that only 50% of people watching the first video also watched the second video.  Many questions and possibilities.

Seems discouraging.  A page like homeopathy is receiving over 100K hits each month.  You would think that maybe a percentage is following up on these links and reading all the citations.  

I think what I learned is that hits to a page do not necessarily translate into reading a page thoroughly.   Getting your point across in the lede and first couple paragraphs is paramount.  Of course having skeptical references on pages is important, but fighting over citations on a well-trafficked page like this when the reference is so far to the bottom is probably not well spent time.  

On the other hand, CBC News, and Erick Johnson now have homeopathy listed on their "what links here" tab.  This only makes their pages stronger in the eyes of other Wikipedia editors.  A page is considered an orphan if nothing links to it.  






The "What links here" area is on the far left side of all Wikipedia pages.  Check it out on your favorite pages. 

Want to note that I recognize some of the CFI group.  A shout out to Fred Bremmer (sans Dave the Skeptical Raisin) from Vancouver and Josh Rosenau from the San Francisco area. 

Additional note - Erika Johnson's WP page is a stub.

I'm always looking for people willing to help out with this project.  Please contact me at susangerbic@yahoo.com if you would like to help out.